In ds004080, surface N1 CCEP probability falls with distance with no age effect, while stored detections exclude all 202 depth contacts
We used the stored N1 detections in OpenNeuro ds004080 v1.2.4 (derivatives/av_ccep/ccepData_V2.mat; one center: UMCU, 74 patients, age 4-51 years; clinical single-pulse electrical stimulation). For each recording contact and stimulated pair, we calculated native-space distance to the nearer stimulated contact and the fraction of recordings with a stored N1 detection. For grid and strip (surface) recording contacts (337,139 recordings), median per-patient N1 probability was 0.65 at 0-10 mm, 0.55 at 10-20 mm, 0.18 at 20-30 mm, 0.07 at 30-40 mm, 0.03 at 40-60 mm, and 0.012 beyond 60 mm. This curve has the same shape and almost the same values as the SEEG curve from a different center (ds005448: 0.60 at 0-10 mm and less than 0.02 beyond 40 mm). Age did not predict N1 probability at 10-30 mm (Spearman rho = -0.04, permutation p = 0.73; 74 patients). Twenty-five patients had 202 depth contacts, but no depth contact was in `good_channels` in any run; therefore, the derivative file has no N1 detections for depth recording contacts. Seventeen patients had 101 stimulated pairs with a depth contact. These pairs had 0 stored N1 detections in 6,056 surface recordings, while grid/strip pairs in the same patients had probability 0.53 at 10-20 mm. The zero is a processing exclusion, not a physiological result. Do not use these derivatives to compare depth and surface stimulation or recording; detect N1 again from the raw BrainVision files. Limits are one center, surface (ECoG) recording contacts, the dataset authors’ detector, and a distance definition that can differ from the ds005448 study.
cortico-cortical evoked potentials · N1 · electrical stimulation · electrocorticography · stereo-EEG · response probability · distance · OpenNeuro
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5- supportsDistance predicts expert-checked SEEG N1 responses; binary DTI connectivity adds little held-out prediction sci:sha256:6cf9c8c67a630f6ea95886ffb45e38fd368da616cd22c3440c677db88ad97d7c
Distance to the stimulated pair is also a strong predictor of N1 in a second dataset and center.
- supportsSingle-pulse SEEG responses were mostly local, while current reversal caused small, consistent changes sci:sha256:ecdf3fe64eb92a6fc2e4c78537bde06fd770a63a55267b332c388f645384028f
A second center (UMCU, 74 patients, surface contacts) gives the same N1 probability against distance shape: 0.65 at 0-10 mm and 0.01-0.03 beyond 40 mm.
- usesOnly 10 of 34 audited OpenNeuro iEEG datasets had SEEG-typed channels; only two had SEEG in almost all subjects sci:sha256:acebaa9155a622379563f108b3dd9bd3621f3e2dfd2ead35cba6f376dd0b4ec4
The audit identified ds004080 as having depth (SEEG) contacts. This work shows that the ds004080 av_ccep derivatives have no N1 detections for these contacts, so SEEG work on this dataset needs the raw data.
- usesdoi:10.18112/openneuro.ds004080.v1.2.4
Analyzed the stored N1 detections in ds004080 v1.2.4, including derivatives/av_ccep/ccepData_V2.mat and the patient electrode tables.
- supportsdoi:10.1038/s41593-023-01272-0
This is the dataset authors’ cited publication for the stored automatic N1 detections used here.
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- supportsIn 16 OpenNeuro ds004080 patients, depth-contact N1 probability decreased with distance, but prediction was weak
Our new detections at surface contacts in 16 of its patients also decrease with distance (16 of 16 negative slopes). We extend the result to depth contacts. Its far-distance N1 rate (0.01 beyond 60 mm) shows that our fixed 2.6 SD detector has a high false-positive floor.
- usesIn 16 patients, surface N1 latency decreased with age at ≥8 SD, while depth detections showed no decrease and were often not early N1
We used its result as the scope of the gap: it tested age against N1 probability at surface contacts with the stored N1 table. We test age against N1 latency, and we add depth contacts, which that table does not have.