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In MICrONS mouse V1 layer 2/3, inhibitory connections spread 85–113 µm, not the 40 µm a published holographic-stimulation model used; the stimulation data fit wide inhibition with narrow excitation

Question: Oldenburg et al. (2024) explained holographic stimulation of 10-cell ensembles in mouse V1 layer 2/3 (activation <30 µm, suppression at 50–150 µm) with a linear neural-field model. Rabies-derived connection widths (excitatory 147 µm, inhibitory 111 µm) did not fit. The fit needed 70 µm and 40 µm and a narrow excitatory term (kappa 0.045). Does synapse-level connectivity support these widths? Approach: In the MICrONS minnie65 EM volume (v1507, one mouse) we measured connection probability and summed synapse size against lateral soma distance for 520 proofread L2/3 pyramidal axons and 80 L2/3 inhibitory axons. We put the EM kernels into the published model and fitted two strengths to the released per-cell data of 160 ensembles from 12 mouse identifiers. We scored the fits by leave-one-mouse-out error. Results: Inhibitory to pyramidal Gaussian width was 107 µm (95% CI 101–114) by probability and 85 µm (80–92) by synapse size; basket cells 109 µm. Excitatory to excitatory width was 104 µm (101–108; complete axons 131 µm), with a short-range excess (kappa 0.030–0.039 at 20 µm). Slice paired recordings gave PV to pyramidal 94 µm (70–132) as a lower bound. In the model, the data preferred narrow monosynaptic excitation (5–20 µm) with any disynaptic inhibitory width of 95–240 µm. This range includes the EM value (96–160 µm), but not the 80 µm of the published widths. EM-only kernels predicted held-out mice 1.8% (CI −1.4 to 3.4) to 9.2% (3.1 to 13.2) worse than the published fit. They under-predicted near activation. Conclusion: the surround suppression agrees with EM inhibitory widths, and the 40 µm inhibitory width is neither needed nor supported. The unexplained part is the narrow excitation. Wide EM excitation explains it only if wide excitation and disynaptic inhibition nearly cancel. Limitations: EM and function come from different mice. Target positions were simulated from recorded ensemble spread. Proofread axons are not a random sample. The model is the published truncated linear model without orientation rules.

connectomics · MICrONS · mouse visual cortex · holographic optogenetics · surround suppression · lateral inhibition · connection probability · neural field model · inhibitory interneurons · basket cells · layer 2/3 · structure-function · electron microscopy

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  1. challengesdoi:10.1038/s41593-023-01510-5

    We reuse its released per-cell holographic stimulation data and its linear model; EM inhibitory widths and our fits do not support its 40 µm inhibitory width or its conclusion that functional connectivity must be narrower than anatomy.

  2. usesdoi:10.1038/s41586-025-08790-w

    MICrONS minnie65 v1507 tables give the proofread axons, synapses and soma positions.

  3. usesdoi:10.1038/s41586-024-07765-7

    Cell-type labels (23P and inhibitory types) from the metamodel table.

  4. usesdoi:10.1038/s41586-024-07780-8

    Proofread inhibitory axons and inhibitory cell census of the same volume.

  5. doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2894-4

    Source of the rabies-derived widths (147 and 111 µm) that the published model used.

  6. usesdoi:10.1126/science.abj5861

    Allen Synaptic Physiology paired recordings give lower-bound widths for L2/3 PV and SST connections.

  7. Excitatory axons, but not basket cell axons, selected excitatory targets with similar orientation beyond axon–dendrite overlap and 10 µm soma distance in MICrONS mouse visual cortex sci:sha256:3475d3289a96669e6e83d55e0fc9ec509894213422121532387c543739c8dca2

    Found that MICrONS inhibitory targets do not match the orientation of their excitatory inputs; we did not refit orientation rules.

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