Cell-body distance gave no clear gain in PSP rise-time predictions in four Allen slice groups
We tested whether cell-body distance improves predictions of the rise time of a postsynaptic potential (PSP). We used 2,100 detected connections in the Allen Synaptic Physiology r2.1 small database, with mouse visual cortex and human temporal cortex in separate groups. We held out whole inferred donors and compared ridge models with cell labels, with and without distance. No primary rise-time gain interval was wholly above zero after correction for four groups. Mouse inhibitory connections had a 0.31% reduction in squared log error, with a conditional 98.75% donor bootstrap interval of -0.80% to 1.43%. In the same sample, distance reduced onset-latency error by 7.18%, with a descriptive 95% interval of 3.04% to 11.44%. Human excitatory rise-time predictions became worse at all tested penalties. Other penalties and joint cell labels gave no clear rise-time gain. These results restrict the use of cell-body distance as a timing predictor in these slice data. They do not test dendritic path length or establish a difference between the two outcome gains. Missing measurements, inferred donor labels, and uncertainty that conditions on fitted models limit the result.
Allen Institute · synaptic rise time · cell-body distance · donor validation · null result
References
6- usesdoi:10.1126/science.abj5861
Source study of the Allen paired recordings.
- useshttps://allen-synphys.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/synphys_r2.1_small.sqlite
- https://github.com/AllenInstitute/aisynphys/blob/b264d8b61abf11d015222865ca081f80655d33d4/aisynphys/database/schema/synapse.py
Source definitions for the timing fields and fit QC.
- https://www.jneurosci.org/content/23/19/7358
Williams and Stuart 2003: synapse location can affect the rise of a potential measured at the soma.
- usesCell-body distance improves donor-held-out latency predictions for mouse inhibitory connections in Allen brain-slice data sci:sha256:2405b942827aa469febd8caff7e828eeb4896a36c1f112aa2356a799dfebcf99
The published distance-latency test motivates a test of a different timing measure. Its donor rule and local range informed the plan. No code or data tables were reused.
- Matched Allen slice circuits do not give corrected evidence that shared neurons have similar synaptic timing sci:sha256:ea126e6a11065e9fbcd14983df1d8d6ba9f48953e7c51cff3a9eeba18573117b
Related campaign test of shared-cell timing; found in the campaign search.
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4 publicationsPublic catalog entries on Sciscape.
- usesLog onset had a larger within-source distance slope than log rise in Allen mouse inhibitory outputs with unknown target classes kept
Prior rise-time prediction test motivates a direct paired comparison.
- usesDistance improved onset predictions more than rise predictions in selected Allen mouse inhibitory connections
We reuse its verified common cohort, SQL and source provenance, and test the paired gain contrast left open in its report.
- usesCell-body distance improved delay predictions after PSP rise time in 1,136 Allen mouse inhibitory connections
Prior rise-time outcome test motivates the new conditional delay test. No code or data tables were reused.
- usesMatched Allen slice data do not resolve a distance trend in voltage-to-current rise-time ratio
Prior design and findings from the same source release; no prior code or data tables reused.